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Well, thank you for coming once again pass these out of me do it right now.
No, I do this.
Santa wasn't be silent. Where you from? I'm from Hyderabad Hyderabad. I thought you were home tonight and we got married and he's new to the Bible. Yeah.
And Rosie Rosie. So let's see. What do we have? Here? We have of course Los Angeles. Let's make a decision exotic as possible. And so you two won't be Los Angeles. Would you want to be less Angela sir? You're wrong.
Look at cultural diversity Los Angeles and we can count you as Hyderabad and tonight just to make more exotic pets chocolate of course, Oklahoma. All right. There we go. Will you be shooting ourselves? What did you know? Yeah living lost.
Angeles what I am doing here is with the language is from the foreign nation of New York, New Jersey area, Washington, DC.
And then I live in a basement and you're from Krypton Shaker Heights, Ohio and outside the diesel, but I've lived a lot in the New York area as well as Boston Los Angeles Chicago, but now we've been living in India has seven years in tiruvannamalai logical Southeast. I was born
I've lived a lot of time in California, but also all over the US and India which to do a Long Island, New York.
Yeah, how about one of the main street really got people from all over the place here. Wow would probably tell you that. We don't have southern hemisphere the lady that they're you hate your she didn't introduce herself. That's right. Mary Kate. Where are you? Originally from? What city lovely me how you were born in California?
When she met Carole are survivors of the
We have about that mirror on a yes ago. That's what I did here. They're here. Right? So if you know if I falter they'll just sort of jump in explanations the difficult sections. I'll just have to turn to you guys. We don't know where mom is from. Oh, well, I was just there.
Something that I thought about when I got home last night, I was thinking about the book know the missing book in the scenario. This is what I thought about the fact that Karma unsaid your Yogananda spent the last years of his life writing a book called the second coming of Christ and he specifically told as organization not to publish it until after the year 2000 so that both was not of the physical.
This down. Yeah it is. How about you specifically said don't release this to the world until after mm. Hmm is have you heard anything or do you have a feeling as Moon baby that happened with her father's book? I really am ready for it yet. Yeah. I have no idea how Bigfoot's really investigation of like a trail to find out I mean really go into it. Who's the last person known to have it will didn't you say yesterday as
Barrett said that the matter is taking care of her son. Her mama told Heritage that something to that effect Panera cast. Yeah better. I don't know this then various people have searched. I think Alabama looked at one time and I would be nice for somebody would write up a full history of everything known about the book be nice to have all that information in place, which I don't know that it is.
But father said about it what's supposed to be in it? Who had it last? I heard I think Raju Abdullah might have been the last one who is known to have had it and I thought maybe he brought it back to Baba. But yeah, I that's not a hundred percent. Sure. It's funny. How time for the college's was followed in the dusty what has closet? Yeah go down. We also possibly the book is somewhere that they've never mind everybody probably tore everything apart. Well, yeah, I know I know I would be
I don't think it's going to be a mirror side or in the archives or anything. Like I guess you never know that it doesn't seem at all likely probably about the gave it to someone and have yeah, give him orders. I mean God, he has two pages. Yeah. Gandhi saw couple pages and IDK Ronnie also IDK father showed him a page or two or something and he didn't remember what was in it. So yeah, it's one of those those misdemeanor.
Love to I'd love to see what's in it. I you know, the question keeps coming up in connection with infinite intelligence. And I really think that the best thing to say is we don't know. Yeah, it's really hard to sort of leave it at that. But what can we possibly say? You don't know what's in it, but it's right from this period right exactly infinite intelligence was if it was dictated as I'm
Little bit right at the heart of the time Bubba was working on the book. Well last time we had started in on talking to some of the cosmic architecture and some of the cosmological principles. So I wanted to resume with that. We had talked about the relation to the individual and the universal. It's a very Central in the management of intelligence and I have here that quote this is on you.
Universe I'll read this up this last time I did but it's easier when you can see it for yourself. This is just from a Stanford Encyclopedia of philosophy on the question of universals in philosophy, depending on which of these items Universal features of singular things. Your Universal concepts are the universal names.
David Garden as the primary really existing universals. It is customary to classify medieval authors as being realists conceptual lists or nominalist respectively. The realists are supposed to be those who assert the existence of real universals in and are before particular things the universal exist before even without individual instances of it the universal.
Is real the conceptual lists those who allow universals only are primarily as concepts of the mind that is to say Universal doesn't exist without individual things, but it does exist as a mental concept versus nominal lists would be those who have knowledge only or primarily Universal words. There's no such thing as the universal. There's just a name that we have and the actual things are just individual objects with no, you know,
I know but I just think you're a dude you're getting hit by this where we got into all this. Well, the reason I brake for bringing this up is that Baba appears very clearly to affirm that universals do exist. And they are going will see later associated with ishwar Creator preserver and Destroyer so that aspect of the universal interacting with the individual is a fundamental part of reality.
Leti to that is like I'm a human being well, apparently there's a universal human form that's actually there and the individual exists in a relation of a drop to the ocean. There's a like like the universal, you know animal form such a thing really exists apparently and the universe of animal form is not God. This isn't real ultimately. It's not the reality. It's not the infinite ocean of
So this Dynamic is part of our reality to we're individual instances of things that are universals. So there's actually quite a bit of references to this in Baba's literature. And another seminar we go into that. But now now I want to come to the third of these which is the universe's or skiers and see good. We don't have has anyone here read infinite intelligence. I don't think we
Have any 101 couple who have
Well, when you read it, one of the issues you really need to deal with that's can be quite confusing is that Baba uses the word subtle in a completely different way and it's just a word. I mean, it's just the Baba use the word differently again. He uses the word subtle to mean the 6. Plus this the whole inner world of the six planes of
Consciousness your know in like God speaks and discourses you're acquainted with the three spheres, right? What are the three spheres that are Brussels mental? Yeah, and the subtle encompasses the first fourth planes or so forth is kind of a threshold and the mental sphere is the fifth and six planes will an infinite intelligence. He uses subtle to refer to all of that the whole six planets.
So you just that's what the word means they're if you don't understand that the book will really confuse you but if you just realize it's a different use of that word, but then Baba does have a third sphere and he calls it the fine sphere and there he didn't even know what the find sphere is. You're really quiet this Soul over. It's not the sole exactly. It's a state with the
Beyond God and Beyond, it's not those either. It's actually part of its.
Like the say the universe, you know in makalya, you know about her paralyzed the dissolution of the universe where does it go? Well it reverts to latency.
That's the fine state of the universe when we go to sleep at night. Where do our sense Kara's go? It reverts to latency, you know in that we get this right in here somewhere that Crossing Lines of the thinking and Imagination this one here again, it's like
This is the okay. This is the subtle Universe in this is the gross universe. That's why the diagrams and infinite Intelligence show just two universes. It doesn't have a mental level wasn't talking about the mental at that time. But when you go like and sound sleep, it reverts the bat it reverts to the golden point it reverts to a stretch. So fine is a the term by the users.
Designate what happens to bodies and universes in the state of sound sleep. It's latency, right if you get that you understand that. It's just a word Bob ahead. It's a very useful word. And I think we should bring it into the you know, the general discussion above us philosophy and other things Christian don't you think though that Prime roughly speaking corresponds to what he later called the mental sphere? No, I don't because
He consistently says in sound sleep, but is there not some indication that in sound sleep things go into things rest in the mental sphere is that it probably has a relationship to the mental sphere in some way. The people who are mental conscious are awake true and they have since Kara's that are active there. But in the fine state, they're not. All right.
I understand but it's probably it's a question mark it is. Well, yeah, I'm at least for me. Yeah to me. It's very certain that he is referring to sound sleep, which is not the same state as a mental conscious soul that have but there seems to be a closeness there because the seeds are there in the mental sphere. Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be located there probably. I mean it took the route of mind or at the root of the mental sphere something like that is probably the case.
So this is a this shows how these spheres relate to each other and the God speaks lingo, right? In fact another one. I'll show the second but in God speaks and the discourses that is everything else above us that we know there's a growth sphere that means the same thing my infinite intelligence in God speak. There's a mental and a subtle sphere and those two
Together correspond to what is called a solid sphere you can intelligence in infinite intelligence. There's a fine sphere and there's no corresponding term in God speaks. You won't hear that discussed. It will say latency or words like that will get used and both have a real sphere also. So this is one of the things you really have to get used to when you're dealing with infinite intelligence.
In fact, I have a bunch of new show. Where is this all yeah.
This is another depiction of the same thing. So the subtle in gut infinite intelligence encompasses the six planes whereas the mental is fifth and sixth and God speaks and the subtlest First with forth and God speaks and the fine has no corresponding term for it. So Baba, it gives a different model for the universe here and this is
Is like this would be a given an analogy for this publicity thing Morgan minute that I think helps to clarify explain why Baba describe things in this way, but let's suppose you're wanting to give a basic Geographic description of the united states with mountains and plains say and I might say well United States is two fundamental geographic regions. There's east of the Rocky Mountains.
And there's west of the Rocky Mountains, but then on another occasion and I'd say there are three spheres there's west of the Rocky Mountains. There's between the Rocky Mountains and the Appalachians and there's between the Appalachians and the Atlantic coast. Well, it's a description, you know, it's not like America suddenly undergoes a huge geological upheaval when I change my description that way if you really want to know what America's like you got to go there, you know.
And the same thing is true of the planes of Consciousness. If you really want to know what these six planes are like you have to actually become spiritually Advanced and experience them because no description of them because that's the problem with you know, the human mind it takes the map for the reality the description for the reality. So at this time Baba was describing this way. And in fact, there's a very good reason why he was doing so which takes us to our fourth.
Cosmological principle here, which is the three states of sound sleep dream and wakefulness.
Of course, you all know what those are experientially. This is, you know Universal Human Experience to pass through these various States in Baba's cosmology as in vedanta. These are actually Cosmic principles. They have they're not just states of our experience. They describe where the phenomenal reality also and
Okay, I'll try to explain this. There's a basic correspondence.
Here between here. It is these states of wakefulness and the Spheres that is to say in sound sleep you experience our I don't know. We don't have a word for what your experience is when you're in sound sleep, but let's say I'll use the word experience you are immersed in are you experienced the finds fear and inferior intelligence Baba says in dream you experience the
The sphere and the subtle universe and in wakefulness the experience. We'd roast Universe, right? So these three spheres actually correspond to the waking States and this turns out to be very important. Are you getting this you have is your relation with so we have a fundamental correspondence that gets developed enormously in the course of infinite intelligence. So the reason why this would suit
Shoot the see Baba doesn't really have anything know what'll I say in God speaks these three spheres the mental subtle and gross. I'll just anticipate will be going to next week. These are rooted in the Triune nature of God in God speaks and other places Baba said God has a prior history Nature's knowledge power and Bliss and those are the foundation for the mental for the subtle.
For the gross. Okay. We'll talk a lot more about this next week. Are you acquainted with this? There's this new stuff knowledge power bless. Yes. So in God speaks, this is really their relationship the Baba wanted to develop between knowledge and the mental power and the subtle Bliss in the gross when you get to chapter 8, he talks about that a lot, but it infinite intelligence bother doesn't have anything to say about knowledge power and
Bliss he did in Tiffin lectures given at about the same time. But what he really does have a lot to say about is the waking State sound sleep dream and wakefulness. So his description of the universe is fine subtle and gross these three because this is the model that is useful in describing the cycle of wakefulness and going to sleep.
Any questions about this, you know, yeah, I was trying to correspond the dream state and in fluid intelligence within Stadium God's be do we talked about dreams take just a word in Plastics? Yeah that we do. Yeah, there's a lot there. Okay, so
So then it I mean they do I see I think maybe the older than should be diverse from God space to infinite intelligence somehow because we do have a dream Stadium busbice. Well, I mean the reason I'm going this way is because we're you know, yeah in Iran tell you right now these this really helps thank you very well know this happened is need to be correlated to really
If you want to bring infinite intelligence into a relationship, but speaks. Yes. Now, here's a like a reason why these three states are cosmologically fundamental. Do you know the Divine theme right? What is the Divine thing?
Whatever
Outside your decision and they're in sound sleep. Yeah, they're close to the goal now. Yeah, in other words a person could be totally literate as far as knowledge goes but he sleeps like a baby and that's right sound sleep. He is as close to being in this state to work. You're experiencing awake sound sleep, which of course Rancho is realization, but the idea of it is so is amazing. So every time somebody puts their head down on the pillow and a good night's sleep.
There in that place to find place. In fact, what happens in that state? Is that coming back to this figure everything the entire universe were verts to the on point and the thinking is in its original and vibrating state which is identical to realization. But for the one missing element, as you said, you're not awake, that's the only thing that separates that
Take from God realization. But what happens to the body what happens to your sense caressed? And what happens to the universe in sound sleep? Is it reverse to find state and find is a really an excellent word for this we've got to resurrect this word. Bubba's talk about Bubba's metaphysics or theosophy because you can see it's related fine is related to finite right find means infinite.
Italy finite that is this point it's there or we could say it's there if you want it's on the on point and in the original state there is a notion of reality and the nothing or the imagination is a single point. And as we said yesterday a point has no Dimensions. It has no space. It has no surface that has nothing yet.
It exists actually that's what everything revert stew in the fine state. So fine is a designation for what happens to everything bodies universe is sanskaras in some sleep. That's what that word means an infinite intelligence. So they create space to dream state. I'm sorry not dream state soon. Sleep sounds good. So since cars are dormant doorman.
See would be another word for what was in that state. You could have unbelievable billions to work out. But if you can get that sleep that doesn't happen to you. Wake up in the yeah, I think in the God speaks uses the word dormant from time to time as a term for this to now the whole journey of the Divine theme. The Journey of is the story of the Journey of the Soul, right? I don't know sign of your know about the Divine theme, but it's Baba gave an account of the
It will soul the soul originates as God in God and as God and with the whim of God, who am I creation occurs, and then the Soul goes to the evolution of Consciousness from a stone through metal who you know plan to worm fish bird animal to human form. Then then Consciousness is wide awake who played infinite thinking terms of our book here and then eventually after
Millions of Life tons in human form you go to the involution Airy Journey where you return to God and ends with the realization. I am God the original question of who am I is answered with I am God. That's that's the Divine theme. Well, the whole Divine theme can be characterized in terms of these states. That is you you originated in sound sleep and the original beyond beyond state for creation begins.
God is sound asleep after the women occurs. Who am I throughout the entire evolutionary Journey from Stone to Monkey? You're dreaming Baba it stop Consciousness and it's a kind of a Dream by the says when you get to human form, you're Wide Awake. There's nothing more. That's that's why Bubba Says infinite thinking that's his term and infinite intelligence for
Wide awake or full Consciousness? You don't need any more Consciousness the problem isn't that you lack Consciousness? The problem is with your conscious self and according to infinite intelligence. What are we conscious of what are we thinking in infinite intelligence speak? So the continuation the imagination we're thinking the imagination. So down reinstate our regular dream stage now.
Now there's actually a taste of the subtle experience because in dreams you can leap over tall buildings right there do everything else. But actually if you're on the planes you're experiencing the dream stayed in reality, right? So the energy that is there you can use it as you please. That's ran. In fact Baba says an infinite intelligence many many times that when you're on the planes of Consciousness you're dreaming in full wakefulness.
That's the difference. It's a dream state, but now you're awake and when you realize God you're sound asleep and full-length, wholeness. So the whole journey of the Soul can be characterized in terms of these three things sound sleep dream and wakefulness. You see that you get that so actually like when you go back to the involution Airy Journey, it's like you experience.
The fine Universe in full wakefulness. So these are tremendously powerful terms actually all of this. Let me show you another are you getting this? Are you following all this all this correlations? I mean, they're very basic but there the whole journey of the soul the whole game of creation is its route unbelievably simple
But it's unbelievably difficult to become that simple. That's the problem. You just need to be wide awake while you're sound asleep. That's all you need to do you're kidding and it takes you know, 50 500 million births and deaths to learn to do that. But that's all it takes and to get on the planes of Consciousness were all that really means is dreaming and full way.
- that's what that state actually is. So this Cosmic do you see these three states? There's really a lot to them. It is a lot more than contemporary culture and science would realize that probably has a let me just show you a handsome Bubba's own handwriting used to bring his future pictures.
This one. So as you do that to be dreaming in a state of wakefulness is to reach to the Summa state of being right as a human at the thinking. Yeah the thinking when you dream in full length and Wilma
That means you're on the planes of Consciousness are Imagine. That's what the safe your sink here in advance Soul. Yeah, you dream and full wakefulness. And here's a here's a diagram that Bob ledrew you'll be waiting dream in the full weight of wakefulness Limbs that you are a you are conscious of the imagination, right? Yeah. That's you're still you're still thinking.
The imagination yet. That doesn't attach comment or something. Well, you're still in the you're still bound your supervisor. Hey, it's just you're thinking a higher form of the here and infinite intelligence. You have the gross imagination and you have the subtle imagination. It's just that you're thinking the subtle imagination. There's an ablation as fire. It's a higher vibration vibration, but it's still the still would've known about uses the term their Bunda. Abunda is a
For someone who has bound, you know that word Bunda. You're a bunch of still your slave your slave to the illusion. You're still thinking the imagination. It's just a higher kind of imagination. That's all is that an airplane. Now, here's the this is a diagram. Where's that clearly? Just yeah. Yeah, that's another version of
This is Papa's own handwriting here where he shows this. I don't think it's in the packet packet. So pretty. Yeah, there is DNA guts hands.
Make sure the back because it looks yeah, you'll see page Baba's page 2948. Here it is. This patient's voice in the to the packet. Yeah, everybody got so the fact that they're it's it's always after go to eleven twelve which is 29. Yeah, Bob is this is about as Pantry 11 th 29 is that
Up there. Okay. I'll see where your mind now. This is a chart that reappears in Baba's literature again, and again and again in many different forms. So here we have someone can you read this but this does homes false ugly moving stay away. Okay, that's what we're experiencing right now unless some of you are on the plains of
Anyone here in the planes of Consciousness? No, I am. Okay. Rosie's whale way up there people like me. The last lifetime. I had a tail on this. How about this? Can you just read that out for your old record in the duty? Okay. Why are these false analogy?
You're thinking imagination education, you're thinking imagination Baba's term for false thinking his definition of false. Thinking infinite intelligence is thinking the imagination now in that thinking is real right, but it's the imagination that was completely illusory. But the creation of the imagination itself from nothing from that finite point in
The infinite universe that is not false thinking what is false thinking is when the thinking thinks that right when the thinking identifies with when the thinking experiences that false universe Bobby uses the word false to refer to that. Okay. Do you get that the idea is thinking the imagination that is false the creation of the imagination that's not false. Why not because it never happened. It does not exist.
That's the point that you keep coming back to the universe really and truly does not exist. The only thing that is false in this picture is US thinking that it does exist. That's yesterday. Was it just one class? It got created not only my education and yeah. Yeah and that in itself is not false necessity because it never
Happened but it's the thinking of it this the identification. It's experiencing that we're false - so both of these states are false States, but now we get to ordinary sound sleep here, which is in the middle and it's very interesting Baba doesn't characterize it as either false or real because well anyway a whole series of diagrams five or six over 30 years have the same.
Heuristic, it's kind of hard to say what it is. It's the ordinary state, but you're not experiencing anything at all. But when you get into now, these are the planes of Consciousness the this explains the Divine true dream and that's good too. Rocky. I think that's tortilla Which fourth state means totally of hasta ie7 planes and their manifestations by seven unions planes one through
This up until the sun. This is the Divine dream because you're dreaming and full wakefulness. You're wide awake while you're dreaming and he characterizes it as real and if I will do this from time to time, it's sort of it's on the real side of things. You're not yet experiencing reality. You're still experiencing the illusion, but it's a real illusion. So
Speak but here, this is divine Awakening IE sound sleep in the WIC State and this is the state of God realization. Yeah, are you aware that you learn are rising the false?
And which of these states to feel for the wedding to you now, are you aware of the malls this process of the false know we really need to ask someone who's in those States. I should think people in that state would be much more aware of it we would but you're still drunk. You're still deluded by it should ask as many arms.
He used to get into a suspended state of being in which you you're not actually thinking as thinking at all, but it's somebody is like that. Yeah, it's close to actually sleeping. Yes. Yes, so kind of a weight for sleeping Baba has
That is not an infinite intelligence. But in some of these Tiffin lectures he explains that in those samadhi trance States. The mind is stopped completely but intellect and egoism are still active and alive so you're not realized yet. But so we see here how those three states generate five see that and this is a very
Pervasive theme in the course of if we had we're studying God speaks. I would really in fact, let me just show you a chart from both speech where you can see the same pattern and here we are. Okay. Alright, let's look tape coming from here. Okay realm of Illusion. Can you read this as some kind of small Optimus ordinary awake state?
Fully thoughts conscious Souls every day grows Consciousness. That's the ordinary awake state, right?
So then what is this?
Of those five states. We saw this would be one in our previous list, which will adapt a giri. Yeah and what kind of dream of false false dream default Sprinter Eugene the kind of dream that those of us who aren't on the planes of Consciousness would have at night. So that's state to ordinary dreams State Souls.
Okay realm of Illusion. Now. This is not characterized as either the realm of Illusion or realm of spiritual phenomena. That sounds sleep state is kind of neither this nor that this is The Optimist unconscious sound sleep State now here. This would be three in the diagram that Bob had ruined his own hand. This is the before the Divine dream state Soul experiencing Sutherland mental planes.
A semi real Consciousness this is dreaming and full wakefulness. According to the chart that bothered you before and this one is today five. Wait for sound sleep God's Consciousness in Turkish State. I've not fully and really conscious. It doesn't say here wakefulness and sleep, but that's clearly what it corresponds to in the diagram that we saw before and an infinitive to intelligence in the book.
What page is that this murky the pages on before we character string that there's a page 650 650 650 doesn't have much you make 648 648 648
So there is still a little bit.
You just think thing about this is that this is a appears on the back of a telegram. And this is a narrative handwriting 1954. Well, this is exactly the same as the diagram Bob open true, right that one that you have in your packets with the same five states. And this is almost 30 years later. So obviously bhava dictated this Eric Church wouldn't have been thinking about these things for his own part.
So this is and to me when I look at this, I think well, this is the foundation of that chart and God speaks. We looked at just a minute ago. That's just a more elaborated version of this. So evidently this is a very fundamental idea in Baba's mind if we can talk about involved as mind these five states and there's something as a discussion of it in God's hand that you could read if you want it's around. I don't know page.
Age 30 or something and it's like it's as if when you enter into the plains, it's like you're going on to The Far Side Of Sound sleep. That's my impressionistic description of it instead of going instead of the daily cycle this way you start to cycle that way.
So apparently you pass through the some kind of inexperience or some kind of a metaphysical reality of passing through some sleep as part of entering into the planes of Consciousness. This is my interpretation what I read there.
So these states are very fundamental and very deeply significant and they're part of the whole cosmological picture. So that's what I want to do. These are the overview of those so to look at these once again, so yeah.
Put on trying to understand the difference between
False waking and hold stream. Mmm. So in false dream, which is that ordinary dream state right when you are conscious. Well, you have semi-conscious your semi-conscious and the subtle sphere of the says so go spear. Yeah again, we have this correspondence wakefulness has a correspondence with the
Us dream is a correspondence with the subtle and sound sleepy has a correspondence with the five. Okay. You see how useful these terms are like Baba would have used them gross subtle and fine. It's because of this relationship between these three states. That's really what Baba wanted to talk about an infinite intelligence. Those three states a major theme of his so he didn't bring up the distinction between the subtle and the mental.
That would confuse things and Baba was never again able to discuss this quite so clearly because in God speaks baba baba doesn't really explain the systematic relation between these three states sounds like dream wakefulness and find subtle growth. He doesn't it would have taken a lot more elaboration and explanation. So this is a real basic thing the infinite intelligence and stream to the picture with me.
Let's first examine. I don't know if you're finding this difficult or not. It's insert takes getting used to.
These ideas. So again, this is this is the whole picture you seen God speaks knowledge power Bliss is really bothers focus and thus his fears are the mental Asylum the gross but an infinite intelligence, it's these three wakeful states that he keeps returning to and the corresponding spheres are the kindness of the link you don't you don't worry, but I almost feel like it.
Speaks this sort of life. It's a big picture like when by the speaks the mental world ends that is which is not some lower gross which takes up infinity and it's the subtle is all the energy that exists in the entire universe and the grossest all material things and that the planets the stars and so forth. Hmm that doesn't got speaks more or less describe that and then infinite Villages is like an individual like the microcosm of the macrocosm.
Enhance this your your world. Yeah, this is being interpreted like because in the well in the nothing everything they've caught they talk about the planes and then the net the seven Heavens. Yeah, which you probably don't want to get into because that's that's for the guys on the planes experiencing the other illusion of the plane. That is textured a boys. Yeah. Yeah explain why and gross bear and the Divine Nature's listen.
I suddenly pop up its problem. Yeah, I would always be I would I mean for me I thought the cross Gil would be with me Pablo. Yeah, that's a topic. Why don't we go into that this afternoon and next week. You're probably won't are you going to be here next week because will really go into it then where we get into the three paths, but I'll just say that God speaks does make it.
Quite clear that the are three bodies the mental body the subtle body and the gross body are the finite Shadows of the Divine Nature's of knowledge is power and Bliss and it would make sense that the mental body their mind would be a shadow of knowledge, right that intuitively makes sense and the subtle body is the body of Prime energy. You can do Miracles. There's subtle things all of that man.
Snsd the most difficult one is bliss, but we'll come on more to that even later on in this session earlier this afternoon. It's really the grossed plane. You see these Divine Nature's when they come into the domain of Duality become the Opposites that is to say knowledge becomes knowledge and ignorance power becomes power and powerlessness and Bliss becomes happiness in misery, right?
Right now isn't the gross plane that typification of it? Well Weber was Babu described in some discourse of talk that money, right? This is a power of the gross blades. Yeah, that energy is the power of the subtle play and of course mental cognizance is around on the metal plate. Yeah. Well if you have money bad you got gross power, right?
Happiness in misery, of course those exist on all the planes but the sort of like the most direct emblem of them in maybe just trim a gross conscious Soul. Okay would be things like eating or you know, excreting or having sex or you know, having something damage done to my body. It's like the most immediate reflection of Pleasure and Pain is those things so it's like the gross fear typifies.
That attribute of bliss what it becomes when it enters into Duality. So this is but God speaks goes into this a good bit. And we'll in there for one of the Tiffin lectures really goes into it. This is God speaks theme are one of its great things. It's not infinite intelligence doesn't go into this at all. Doesn't even mention knowledge power Bliss and Baba was talking about it at that time in the 2627, but not in this book because this is the
You said you wanted to talk about these states and their correlation with with you know, the universe is in the bodies the gross subtle and find bodies and like you said, there's no mention of love because know this power in phonology. Yeah love is not one of the Nature's of God. These are the three Nature's of God Bobby uses that term and kind of a technical sense as a matter of fact.
Those are negative God in the imagination but sat in the imagination what the knowledge nature of God the nature of going to actually they're actually the nature of God is gone. But when they manifest in the imagination when they their Shadows appear in the imagination, then they become the mental the southern the gross.
So these these principles are really really powerful months. Yeah, could you explain about that? What happens when we do this monster has been recently they revert a latency. So like does it get reduced they get reduced to nothing. Nothing. That is a point. You see how a point is nothing is everybody understand that.
Point has no Dimensions that all mathematically right so I'm good. That's it doesn't have any width doesn't have any height doesn't have any depth. It has zero Dimensions really speaking a point has no existence in the physical universe. That's what happens to all of our sin secures. They revert to the own point, you know total latency, but in the original state of God God is the reality and the entire
Fire created universe is a point of nothing in it. So it goes back to that state. That's what this is. This is all a point. So now I wanted to mention some of these I'll come to those clothes terms later how to how ishwar relates to all of this because ishwar is the huge player in this whole story and
This is the I would say the other huge topic that infinite intelligence really developed just as it develops these this really thinking and Imagination, but these other topics are more developed infinite intelligence more explicitly than anywhere else, but also ishwar is now ishwar in India.
You're proud of you. I'm sure know the words right stream of God. Basically just the Lord write a general term for the Lord what it is. I'm trying to think how many of these terms I should hit you with our Navy acquainted with vedanta at all. Yeah in vedanta in the work of the great shankara. Who is the greatest philosopher of
Probably it was a perfect master of tell anybody 20 he uses ishwar to refer to the he aesthetic aspect of God.
I'll try to explain a little bit of this because this comes up a lot and infinite intelligence. It gives us the terms near Glen and so good. Can you see those words near going and soglin go to Glen means attributes the quality or an attribute so near the light means without qualities or attributes and soglin means with
Is your attributes? Okay. Now what this is referring to is another fundamental theme in theosophy. And theology. God can be you can talk about God as having no attributes at all. Or you can talk about God is having attributes now God without attributes is unimaginable is unapproachable. It's that infinite ocean.
That doesn't have color doesn't have shape doesn't have name. Good gone to beyond beyond. I don't even know if it's not necessarily sound asleep. It might be a little Bi wakeful State. It's actually the eighth state of God. That's what you experienced in the eighth state of go of the 10 states have gone without form and about attributes. So like in that state God doesn't have mercy the the God is not the merciful one God is there no night.
My name is Allah Islam those names of most of those would not pertain to God without attributes. It's an infinite ocean in which there is no scope or space for creation at all. Right. Now that aspect of God is completely unapproachable to us. We have no way of thinking about it even but God with attributes. That's the soglin aspect god with
That tributes that's the aspect of God that shows its face to Creation, you know, like in say the merciful one or in Islam the Avenger there's an one of the names of God means that or the one who is the lord of the one who is the bestower all these sorts of qualities. Those are big God with that tributes now when we come to it to the whole ishwar,
Ask that is god without tributes. That's God as existing in relation to us as imaginable by us as approachable by us. So that's a very this distinction is going to come up again next week when we talk about Vietnam the Divine team and other things like that. So it the word ishwar is often used that way in India and
Another schools of philosophy. I'm bringing that up because that is actually getting close to what Baba o baba characterizes ishwar and infinite intelligence. Ishwar is God as Creator preserver Destroyer.
These three comprise what God speaks characterizes as the third state of God. Show you this.
You don't spend a lot of time this table that in, you know this are you acquainted with this table of this chart locker room. This is the ninth chapter of God speaks, which is very icky chapter. But okay, this is the Beyond state of God. I won't go into its complexities, but God and this is the actually god without form and without attributes.
And this is God is the perfect moment that perfect Master with former would attributes. This is the creator preserver Destroyer aspect of God and infinite intelligence has more to say about this then you'll find anywhere else in about his teachings. Now this this is the peculiar familiarity of it in this state God.
Creates preserves and destroys everything but the strange thing is that the ishwar does not know that he's God. He doesn't experience the I am God state.
And this is another one of these things is kind of hard to explain but ishwar is unlimited. You sure can do anything and just do it. Does Eddie are anything and everything is done by you Schwab Bill speaking and dishwasher is not bound ishwar is not limited issue as in infinite, but the thing is the issue are never turns back to think of himself.
It's sort of like ishwar you might say is the ultimate extrovert ishwar is completely oriented towards the universe the state of God so that like if you ask for something we know you're say you're sick and you oh God cure me don't let me die or oh God, you know, I need to have a job, you know, whatever. It may be. It's dishwasher that would answer that. We'll see a lot more about
It's that aspect of God it does and you swore your body's perfect Justice all these qualities of God are manifested there but ishwar never stops for an instant to have the I am glad experience. It's a very strange state of God here, huh? No, he or she is no I mean if you were yeah, I know it's very
Strange, I mean I suppose if you were to meet ishwar and say hey - where are you God it's where I would probably say. Yeah, but in the same way that I could say that too but it's not my immediate experience at this moment and apparently ishwar does not experience it either because ishwar is all the time focused on the universe. No, apparently nobody got like this.
Yeah, I know. There's no ego is in there. Now. There's nothing like that. Another way to say this is ishwara as a principal really speaking issuers completely incomprehensible as we go into it more and more. I think people see that. So are we do cool ishwar Maya?
I would not say if Suarez Maya itself.
Maya I would characterize as the principal of ignorance that makes the real appear to be the false in the fall what really exists appear to be non-existent and what it's non-existent appear to be existent. It's the principle that makes nothing seemed like everything and everything seemed like nothing and ishwara is not that principle but ishwar is the one who does it.
Would ya like right here and if I guarantee something that goes out in an infinite Consciousness and the Dynamics my I mean dishwasher would would would be see that it was something relating to the universe if it was a desire for something in the world. It will go to ishwar. Yeah, it's a matter of fact so ishwar creates preserves.
And destroys infinitely now in this diagram we keep returning to it because it's so fundamental. It's like what is it that causes this point of x to become the infinite Universe? What is it that makes the find most finite imagination appear to be the infinite imagination. What is it that creates the universe is ishwar. This is ishwara to domain so ishwar creates the universe ishwar sustains the
Diversity Square dissolves the universe. There is an aspect of God. There's a state of God that does this this you might say is Schwarz terrain. So we were talking yesterday about how our experience involves this interaction of thinking and Imagination. Will you are here yesterday to talk about all this but you remember all of that, right? So we think the imagination That's the basis for our experience. Well, there is in fact a dude.
Evolved in that is shuara who's constantly creating preserving and destroying the imagination for us. That's all the time going on. So ishwar is a major player in this story. Remember all this Mary Kay. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, we'll say so this is a we're going to look at is horn relation to these cosmological principles. Now you want to ask anything more about the sir bring up anything more about this at this juncture Big John.
This Junction rap right now. So yeah, the archangels and angels are under the British war and I presume so I don't know because you can distort the lord of the universe actually. So everything within creation is this part is yeah our dishwashers delay. Is he saying that fish for is have some very subtle form because it's in what?
It's kind of issue is far as actually formless and but ishwar is the Creator and preserver and destroyer of all forms. Everything. All forms are created preserved installed at I'm on board. Yeah, every second. Yeah. Well some of the specs has like four aspects in the you have fish one, which is dealing with the illusion site. You've got the
Young guard aspect we have the opposite which is the very fine. Nothing. Yeah latent potential for God and then on the other two aspects you all those two spheres, you've got with those attributes and without your gifts. Yeah as a made-up, you know characteristics of thought. Yeah, and we think what let's see with their probably gets us back to the 10 states of God.
Chart where we are we have with it without its without attributes. We have dealing with this Deluge of the aspect of bread ishwar himself is without attributes, but manifests infinite attributes is taking aware of each were more conscious of it at some point. Well in any of those Estates, I mean, it's almost hard to answer because ishwar is omnipresent.
I'm depressed. It's like is the precondition of every experience precondition of every you can't experience anything without assures involvement will be going to see this more as we go into some of these other diagrams here about this the role of ishwara is mind-boggling the extensiveness of it. But ishwar in brief is the one who keeps negotiating this movement. Okay that we are talking about sound sleep dream wakefulness right in sound sleep everything.
Is there in dream everything is subtle, right and then wakefulness universe is gross Damascus is gross right we're talking about that correlation here. Yeah, you sure is the one who keeps creating preserving and destroying all of this back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and all experience depends on Aishwarya of things. So some are doing these things creating things.
Everything destroying the universe all the time on the universal scales and on individual still don't want role as thinking. Yeah what that we experience it's that is shuara is the precondition of thinking of false thinking is the precondition of false thinking because we don't there's no imagination for us to think if the imagination has not been created, right? All right, so who's going to create this one?
So ishwar the so yesterday we were talking about thinking the imagination but we didn't ask the question who creates this imagination. Of course, the irony is that actually that the imagination is never created at all because it doesn't exist nor is the ultimate trafficker in nothing is constantly making nothing.
Like everything and everything look like nothing everything. This is turned into that and that is turned into that. If you should wear does it to an unlimited degree all the time like an earthquake? Yeah, that's a swamp. All of those developments will talk more about this. We're coming into this. I want to be sure we get to sound sleep dream wakefulness to show. I mean, it's actually completely mind-boggling.
Giggling the role that this issue are plays the human mind really can't begin to comprehend. It leaves you in total bewilderment. If the third stage of God is like this. Holy smokes. What does the Beyond State? Like, I don't want the one with the X on top. Yeah this one. Yeah that know that one that one. Yeah.
Yeah.
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